Publication Date: July 25, 2025
Pages: 240
This much-needed resource offers fresh, multisided viewpoints on seemingly divisive, politically polarizing issues in education, business, politics, sports, entertainment, policing, and technology.
Let's Talk About DEI models for professionals and everyday Americans ways to productively critique, learn from, and respond to other people’s perspectives on topics related to diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). A variety of contested issues are debated, including consequences for kids who do racist things in schools, the U.S. Supreme Court’s affirmative action reversal, legacy advantages in college admissions, the tumultuous tenure of Harvard’s first Black president, legislative attacks on DEI initiatives, and celebrity coaches at historically Black universities.
Readers will also see how the author and his students engage in respectful disagreements about celebrities and influencers, including Beyoncé, Elon Musk, Kanye West, Megan Thee Stallion, Brittney Griner, and Deion “Coach Prime” Sanders. This dynamic book includes chapters on Joe Biden, Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Kevin McCarthy, George Santos, and Karen Bass.
Book Features:
Shaun Harper is university professor and provost professor of education, business, and public policy at the University of Southern California, and the USC Race and Equity Center’s founder and chief research scientist. He has done high-quality DEI work with more than 400 educational institutions, businesses, government agencies, and other organizations.
“Democracy requires deliberative debate. Hearing and having access to only one side are the tools of totalitarianism. This book is designed to encourage and support healthy debate and pushback on authoritarian regimes. We must remain engaged. This text is a wonderful place to start.”
—Gloria Ladson-Billings, past president, National Academy of Education
“In this brilliant book, Professor Harper generously affords us access to his classroom. It teaches Americans how to consider and respect viewpoints beyond our own, which is exactly what our democracy needs in this era of deep polarization.”
—Arne Duncan, 9th United States Secretary of Education
“I portray a teacher on television, but Dr. Shaun Harper is the real deal. This powerful book is proof of his brilliance as an educator and visionary. It reads like the inspiring lesson plan our democracy so urgently needs in these dangerously divided times.”
—Sheryl Lee Ralph, Emmy Award-winning actress, Abbott Elementary
“Professor Shaun Harper is exactly the kind of teacher I wish I had in college. When so many people are working to pull America apart, it is great to have someone like Shaun searching for ways to meaningfully bring us together. This book is the latest demonstration of his commitment.”
—Arnold Schwarzenegger, 38th Governor of California
“Shaun Harper’s book curates years of hands-on DEI work into an evidence-based tool for educators, business and government leaders, and organizers alike. Let’s Talk About DEI is the perfect guide to meet a moment hostile to a multicultural democracy. Harper’s expertise will help us light the way out of this dark period of American life.”
—Kimberlé Crenshaw, Distinguished Professor, Columbia University Law School and UCLA School of Law
“As a red-state lawmaker on the front lines of anti-inclusion policymaking, I am constantly seeking relevant and timely insights. Dr. Harper’s book provides actionable guidance on how to engage in productive and respectful disagreements around diversity, equity, and inclusion, as well as other topics. As a military veteran, I can think of nothing more patriotic than trying to strengthen the often neglected 'U' in USA.”
—Rep. Chris Mathias, Idaho House of Representatives
“Dr. Shaun Harper has given higher education many invaluable gifts over the course of his illustrious career: robust, reliable research that informs our professional perspectives; models and guides that shape our praxis; and, with this new book, an invitation to ‘deliberately engineer conditions’ for sustained openness and thoughtful student engagement across difference. Dr. Harper models a pedagogical approach to encourage and facilitate informed, constructive dialogue and dissent in the classroom.”
—Alta Mauro, Associate Dean for Equity and Belonging, Harvard University
“In this provocative book, Shaun Harper shows what it looks like to live one of our deepest values as Americans: to engage in respectful civic discourse with those who disagree with us. The book spans a myriad of contemporary topics, including popular culture, race, and DEI. It brilliantly captures the important conversations of this moment, and pushes for deeper reflection and more engagement across difference.”
—Na’ilah Suad Nasir, President, Spencer Foundation
“For thoughtful individuals desiring to take a step toward understanding the ‘bogeyman’ that has been made of DEI, this book is an answer. In this most difficult time, one of the world’s leading diversity scholars delivers this much-needed model. Readers will grasp that all that is good about DEI has been swept up by the casting of a three-letter acronym as evil.”
—Kenneth L. Shropshire, David W. Hauck Professor Emeritus, Wharton School of Business, University of Pennsylvania
“With our democracy in the balance, Dr. Shaun Harper offers a clear path forward for us to find common ground. He brilliantly invites all of us to step out of our echo chambers and consider others’ viewpoints. Harper does so by modeling the way, serving as both teacher and student, co-constructing learning to encourage multiple perspectives. This book is a must-read for all who care about our democracy and each other.”
—Patty Perillo, Vice President for Student Affairs, University of Maryland
“In these divisive times, Let’s Talk About DEI is a poignant call to engage across difference with respect, courage, and intellectual honesty. Dr. Harper and his students – who give me so much hope for our future – offer a powerful model for how educators, and all of us, can move beyond polarization toward deeper understanding. This book is both a practical resource and a vital reminder that respectful disagreement and robust exchange across difference are not only possible, they are essential to a healthy democracy.”
—Angel B. Pérez, Chief Executive Officer, National Association for College Admission Counseling
“I deeply appreciate Dr. Harper’s Let’s Talk About DEI, a balanced, bold, and timely exploration of an acronym many have weaponized and do not fully understand. His wide-ranging perspectives reflects how individuals, particularly today’s PK-16 students, experience DEI differently, and he does not shy away from addressing the rise of anti-DEI rhetoric. This is a must-read for those committed to transformative change beyond this anti-DEI moment in history.”
—Cheryl Holcomb-McCoy, CEO/President, American Association for Colleges of Teacher Education (AACTE)
“In a thought-provoking and generous collection, educational leader and DEI expert Shaun Harper explores a range of timely opinions about diversity, equity, and inclusion in dynamic exchanges with students holding opposing viewpoints. With a willingness to experiment and challenge assumptions, Harper offers us this unique collection, which encourages discussion and leaves readers with plenty to consider.”
—Prudence L. Carter, Sarah and Joseph Jr. Dowling Professor, Brown University
“Timely. Inspiring. Unique. Necessary. These words all come to mind when reading Let's Talk About DEI. Dr. Harper provides a masterclass on engaging students in difficult conversations, which is a blueprint for what America needs in this moment: a way forward through increasing polarization and a general inability or unwillingness for many to have meaningful, substantive conversations across difference.”
—Jonathan M. Cox, Vice President, Congressional Black Caucus Foundation
“Grounded in research, yet accessible for audiences within and outside of the academy, Let’s Talk About DEI is a provocative, honest, politically analyzed, forward-thinking, and incredibly necessary book during times of unparalleled divisiveness in the United States of America. An invitation and model for how to agree to disagree centering civility, humanity, and possibility, this is a book that helps us move closer to a true democracy.”
—H. Richard Milner IV, Cornelius Vanderbilt Professor, Vanderbilt University
“Shaun Harper offers a timely guide for engaging in uncomfortable, yet worthwhile conversations. This pedagogical feat not only demonstrates how to talk across beliefs and orientations, but also recognizes the need to have respectful disagreements as part of human practice. Harper takes us from classrooms to boardrooms by demonstrating how important it is for faculty to learn from and with students and by providing a playbook for corporate facilitators to engage their teams.”
—Maisha T. Winn, Excellence in Learning Graduate School of Education Professor, Stanford University
“Professor Harper’s point/counterpoint approach provides a balanced discussion on all things DEI in a highly readable and accessible format. This approach succeeds exceptionally well in producing a much richer and nuanced take on a broad range of DEI topics. As such, the final package allows readers, regardless of background, to quickly get up to speed on what is at stake in DEI debates and to develop an appreciation for DEI positions, both pro and con.”
—Robert E. Thomas, Charles M. Hewitt Professor of Business Law and Ethics, Indiana University Kelley School of Business
“Dr. Harper’s approach to productive disagreements in Let’s Talk About DEI arrives at a critical time in our history. The text contains 40 student counterpoint responses to their professor’s analyses and viewpoints. This design offers a unique and exceptionally nuanced approach to intellectual critique and a platform for deepening conversations.”
—Jason Pina, Senior Vice President for University Life, New York University
“Let’s Talk About DEI is essential reading for this moment. Dr. Harper’s brilliant mind and musings — alongside those of his students — illuminate timely issues and controversies. A well-written and accessible guide, the book models how educators and students can open a dialogue on diversity, equity and inclusion. In reality, we are all students grasping to understand these evolving issues. Believing we already know it all is a fatal error, and resources like this one that will help each of us to express, confront, examine and productively debate divergent opinions on DEI are of the utmost importance.”
—Areva Martin, Civil Rights Attorney, Bestselling Author, Talk Show Host and Producer, and Disability Advocate
“By welcoming all voices into sociocultural exchange, Let’s Talk About DEI is an invitation that debunks the rhetoric that this space seeks to silence conservative voices. Educators will benefit from Harper’s unique pedagogical engagement that presents a vibrant model for the authentic assessment of critical thinking skills. Offering his own writings as the prompts, engaging the genius of his students in reaction to those prompts, and honoring their offerings with respectful responses that sometimes stand firm, at other moments capitulate, and occasionally redirect, Shaun Harper audaciously opens a space for constructive dialogue on compelling and entertaining issues of the day.”
—Denise B. Maybank, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs, City University of New York
“This is the perfect book for any educator, trainer, or organizational leader looking to kickstart courageous conversations in America’s classrooms and workplaces. In refreshing and revealing ways, Harper models what constructive disagreement looks like on some of the hardest problems we face as a nation.”
—Khalil Gibran Muhammad, Professor of African American Studies and Public Affairs, Princeton University
Contents
Series Foreword James A. Banks xv
Preface xxi
An Inspiring, Adaptable Model xxiii
The Educational Benefits of Being in Touch xxiv
A Vision for This Book xxv
Productive Engagement Beyond Academia xxv
Acknowledgments xxvii
PART I: PRODUCTIVE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT EDUCATION
1. Actions Educational Leaders Must Take When Kids Do Racist Things at School 3
Nico’s Productive Disagreement 5
Productive Response From Nico’s Professor 6
2. Why Politicized Attacks on DEI in Schools Are Occurring, and How They’re Bad for America 8
Grace’s Productive Disagreement 10
Productive Response From Grace’s Professor 11
3. Supreme Court Ends Affirmative Action in College Admissions—Here’s What Will Happen on Campuses 12
Will’s Productive Disagreement 15
Productive Response From Will’s Professor 16
4. Eliminating Standardized Tests to Achieve Racial Equity in Post–Affirmative Action College Admissions 17
Alvin’s Productive Disagreement 19
Productive Response From Alvin’s Professor 20
5. Legacy Admissions at Harvard and Other Elite Institutions Advantage White Applicants 21
Isis’s Productive Disagreement 22
Productive Response From Isis’s Professor 23
6. Harvard University’s Next President Is a Black Woman 25
Deonté’s Productive Disagreement 27
Productive Response From Deonté’s Professor 28
7. What It Means That a Black Woman Survived Only Six Months as Harvard’s President 29
David’s Productive Disagreement 31
Productive Response From David’s Professor 32
8. What Deion Sanders’s Departure From Jackson State Could Mean for the Business of HBCU Athletics 33
Timi’s Productive Disagreement 35
Productive Response From Timi’s Professor 36
PART II: PRODUCTIVE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT BUSINESS AND CORPORATE LEADERSHIP
9. Why Business Leaders Are Pulling the Plug on DEI 39
Malavika’s Productive Disagreement 41
Productive Response From Malavika’s Professor 43
10. Elon Musk Articulates What Many DEI Opponents Think, but Are Too Afraid to Publicly Say 44
Christopher’s Productive Disagreement 45
Productive Response From Christopher’s Professor 46
11. Your Company’s DEI Training Isn’t Critical Race Theory, No Need to Ban It 48
Yamile’s Productive Disagreement 50
Productive Response From Yamile’s Professor 51
12. Ways CEOs and Companies Fail Chief Diversity Officers 52
Juhwan’s Productive Disagreement 55
Productive Response From Juhwan’s Professor 57
13. Discrimination Against White Job Applicants and Employees, or Is It Racial Equity? 58
Kelsey’s Productive Disagreement 60
Productive Response From Kelsey’s Professor 62
14. Repeated Snubbing of Black Kids at Amusement Parks Shows Need for More Complex Bias Trainings 63
Linh’s Productive Disagreement 65
Productive Response from Linh’s Professor 66
15. Elon Musk Says He’s Hiring a New Twitter CEO—Women Beware of the Glass Cliff 67
Samantha’s Productive Disagreement 69
Productive Response From Samantha’s Professor 70
16. New Bank of America Loan Could Further Push Black and Latino Families Out of Communities 71
Henry’s Productive Disagreement 73
Productive Response From Henry’s Professor 74
17. Adidas Gets Transphobic Backlash for “Woke” Pride Month Swimsuit Marketing 75
Sloane’s Productive Disagreement 76
Productive Response From Sloane’s Professor 77
18. Target Fumbles Black History Month, Pulls Offensive Item From Stores 79
Samantha’s Productive Disagreement 81
Productive Response From Samantha’s Professor 82
19. Why a “Lay Low” DEI Strategy Is Especially Bad Right Now 83
Meron’s Productive Disagreement 85
Productive Response From Meron’s Professor 86
PART III: PRODUCTIVE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS
20. They’re Saying He’s Too Old: Ageism in Media Discourse About Joe Biden’s Reelection 89
Delaney’s Productive Disagreement 90
Productive Response From Delaney’s Professor 92
21. Who Told Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis That America Has Never Been Racist? 93
Rachael’s Productive Disagreement 95
Productive Response From Rachael’s Professor 95
22. Kevin McCarthy’s Failed Bids for House Speaker Expose the Ironies of Ideological Diversity and Homogeneity in the GOP 97
Mariessa’s Productive Disagreement 99
Productive Response From Mariessa’s Professor 100
23. If George Santos Were Black, There’d Be Harsher Consequences for the Congressman’s Lies 101
Mathew’s Productive Disagreement 103
Productive Response From Mathew’s Professor 104
24. How Karen Bass Beat a Billionaire to Become First Woman and Second Black L.A. Mayor 106
Nicolette’s Productive Disagreement 107
Productive Response From Nicolette’s Professor 108
25. Brittney Griner, Paul Whelan, or Nothing? Why the Biden Administration Chose the Black Woman 110
Todd’s Productive Disagreement 112
Productive Response From Todd’s Professor 113
PART IV: PRODUCTIVE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT AND SPORTS
26. Beyoncé Wins the Most Grammy Awards, Becomes the Actual GOAT 117
Sydney’s Productive Disagreement 119
Productive Response From Sydney’s Professor 120
27. Megan Thee Stallion Supporters Call Out Misogynoir in Hip-Hop Industry—What It Is and Where Else It Exists 121
Wayne’s Productive Disagreement 124
Productive Response From Wayne’s Professor 125
28. Kanye West Could Lose Everything If Someone Doesn’t Help Him 126
Elena’s Productive Disagreement 128
Productive Response From Elena’s Professor 129
29. The Color Purple Cinematic Remix Expands Cultural Contribution and Financial Impact 130
Bill’s Productive Disagreement 132
Productive Response From Bill’s Professor 133
30. Viola Davis Makes Compelling Case for Darker Skin Black Women in The Woman King 134
Allison Joyce’s Productive Disagreement 136
Productive Response From Allison Joyce’s Professor 137
31. What the Porn Industry Teaches Teens, Especially Guys, About Sex 138
Max’s Productive Disagreement 140
Productive Response From Max’s Professor 141
32. NCAA Basketball Champ Angel Reese Was Called “Classless” Because She’s Black 143
Destiny’s Productive Disagreement 145
Productive Response From Destiny’s Professor 145
33. What to Do When Drunk Fans Say Inexcusably Offensive Things at Sporting Events 147
Paxton’s Productive Disagreement 149
Productive Response From Paxton’s Professor 150
PART V: OTHER PRODUCTIVE DEI DISAGREEMENTS
34. White Guy Says He’ll Bring Fried Chicken to the Black Cookout—How to Recover From Racial Microaggressions 153
Sean’s Productive Disagreement 155
Productive Response From Sean’s Professor 156
35. Remote Work Can Boost Diversity Yet Undermine Equity for Employees of Color 157
Liz’s Productive Disagreement 159
Productive Response From Liz’s Professor 160
36. Black Cops Upheld Institutional and Cultural Racism in Fatal Attack of Tyre Nichols 161
Obianeze’s Productive Disagreement 163
Productive Response From Obianeze’s Professor 164
37. What Executives Should Say to Employees When Police Officers Kill Unarmed Black People 165
Shivani’s Productive Disagreement 167
Productive Response From Shivani’s Professor 168
38. ChatGPT Threatens Authenticity of DEI Communications From Leaders 169
Shehab’s Productive Disagreement 171
Productive Response From Shehab’s Professor 172
39. Rite Aid Facial Recognition Lawsuit Shows AI Risks of Shopping While Black 173
Pawan’s Productive Disagreement 175
Productive Response From Pawan’s Professor 176
40. Ways Philanthropic Foundations Can Respond to Costly Attacks on DEI 177
Devon’s Productive Disagreement 179
Productive Response From Devon’s Professor 180
Endnotes 181
Credits 202
Index 204
About the Author 212
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